For some stand-up comedians, podcasts resemble an open-mic evening with no purple mild telling them to wrap it up. The medium presents a possibility to talk with buddies and riff on no matter strikes their fancy, for hours and hours. Not so with Jamie Loftus.
With limited-run podcasts like “My Year In Mensa,” a descent into the unhappy and unusual world of Mensa membership, and “Lolita Podcast,” a deep dive into how American tradition has perverted the that means of the Vladimir Nabokov novel, Loftus, 28, has branched out into a brand new medium with unexpectedly gripping explorations of area of interest topics, infused along with her biting comedic supply. This method grew straight out of her concern that her comedy exhibits had been pigeonholing her as “Gross Girl.”
“My standup routine concerned consuming pet food onstage for years.” Loftus mentioned. “I’ve a really sturdy digestive system. It was constructed by Alpo. However I used to be afraid I backed myself right into a nook: Do I have to eat pet food endlessly? I can’t do this. I’ll die!”
Her most up-to-date podcast, “Aack Cast,” in regards to the much-maligned “Cathy” sketch that ran from 1976 to 2010, ought to quash any lingering issues about typecasting. “Aack Solid” — named by the strip’s creator, Cathy Guisewite, herself — is a pissed off millennial’s journey to understanding, although not essentially forgiving, the working white girls of the “rightfully despised” Boomer era and their second-wave feminist struggles. “Cathy is a logo of how girls’s anxieties and issues will be thought-about embarrassing, and never worthy of dialogue, if the character in query isn’t an ideal function mannequin,” mentioned Loftus.
Over pizza and Aperol spritzes in late August in Bushwick, simply earlier than the 11-episode collection aired its ultimate episode, the usually Los Angeles-based Loftus talked about how she discovered grace for the era she nonetheless struggles to know, the stunning classes for her personal feminism she took from her boomer material, and the place the generations might by no means see eye to eye. These are edited excerpts from the dialog.
How do you determine to dive so deeply into what would possibly look like random or maybe un-zeitgeisty topic issues like Mensa, “Lolita” or “Cathy” comics?
I robotically gravitate towards subjects that folks have sturdy opinions about, however by no means actually take into consideration why they’ve them. It’s actually the one factor that connects all three of the exhibits. I like that area in folks’s heads, the place they don’t really feel so strongly about it that they’re going to choose a combat with me earlier than listening to me out, however there’s some ground-level emotion to satisfy them on.
In “Aack Solid,” Cathy’s office and body-image episodes made me even have sympathy for boomer girls, which for a bitter millennial, is an actual feat.
I do know. I don’t wish to go too far in that route both as a result of, properly, they’re deeply unsympathetic for a cause. A part of what’s so wonderful in regards to the “Cathy” strip is that it was a means of watching their story unfold in actual time, and I wished to speak to as many ladies as potential to trace their model of that journey, from how second-wave feminism influenced or excluded them, to the way it was changed by consumption and apathy.
Was your mother’s love of the sketch the impetus for this collection?
After “Lolita,” I wished one thing that’s enjoyable and lightweight and never the darkest place to presumably go. After which simply speaking to my mother, as a result of she’s a freak for “Cathy.” She was the target market.
And I wished to make a present that had some kind of recurring solid [the strips are acted out during the series], so it turns into a kind of acquainted mini TV present.
When it’s not pandemic-prohibited, you’re a slapstick comedian and TV author. What makes podcasting totally different?
The community-building side is so cool — and terrifying. These intense parasocial connections. I get it; I hearken to podcasts and have that non-public connection to individuals who do not know who I’m, too. I believe the place I struggled with it was “Lolita Podcast.” I imagined when folks listened to the present I would hear very private issues from them. However I felt I used to be ill-equipped to cope with it. Individuals who had survived childhood sexual assault, folks in help teams to stop themselves from offending — it was extremely intense. I’m very grateful folks had been so open with me, however that’s when I discovered it very overwhelming. Contrasting that with the “Bechdel Solid” neighborhood, which is usually school college students and typically mothers of school college students, it’s a really healthful, enthusiastic film neighborhood. [“The Bechdel Cast,” which Loftus co-hosts, is an unscripted-conversation podcast about the portrayal of women in a different movie each week]. For “Cathy,” that is my first boomer crowd and that’s been wild.
You by some means stroll the road of condemnation and compassion for that era.
I felt myself being so unsympathetic to boomer girls to the purpose that I used to be being deeply unsympathetic to my mother. And I at all times wish to be sure I perceive one thing absolutely earlier than I determine it’s rubbish. The legitimate criticism of the boomers stems from the quantity of energy and entitlement they’ve, however there have been some experiences they’d that I simply can’t think about having. I wished to honor that as properly, so it was difficult.
I wished to see, can I meet my mother the place she is, who has a great coronary heart and needs to do proper by folks, however doesn’t at all times fairly get it. And it’s been so good to speak to Cathy herself. I hate to endorse a boomer, however I hope to be like her sometime. She’s so candy and so genuinely curious.
You made a particular minisode referred to as “Take the ‘Present Your Mother What a Podcast Is’ Problem.” Did it work? Have you ever heard any critique from them?
I had thought that the most important impediment to “Aack Solid” can be the truth that it’s a few visible medium, nevertheless it was truly that a lot of my target market has no concept in regards to the medium I’m working in in any respect. However when you inform mothers it’s the radio — my mother was like, “Oh, so it’s on demand?”
The few important messages from boomer girls I’ve gotten will be greatest described as “light mothering.” They had been very like, “Sweetheart, I like what you’re doing, however …”
There are some issues I’ve been inspired to see the boomers in my life have made progress on — like speaking to Cathy in regards to the lack of range in her strip. However then there’s different stuff that I don’t know that that is going to alter of their lifetimes, like girls downplaying the office harassment they handled and even defending it.
Like that complete “delight in struggling” badge — if I needed to endure this large downside in my life than everybody simply has to too, and if they will’t, they’re weaker than me. That boomer mentality — it sucks as a result of I really feel it in my very own head.
[But] understanding them higher has made me extra considerate as a feminist, as a result of I do assume there’s a bent to throw the child out with the tub water in terms of previous actions of feminism. I felt a connection to the ladies I spoke to, even once we disagreed. I can’t endorse their actions, however they’ve information to impart.